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  How are they getting around this???...

  by Justice-One in

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  how is the society getting around this....."those that saw all these things, will not pass away before the end comes.

  "...seems to me, those that saw the events of 1914 are getting pretty long in the tooth.. .

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  A Paduan

  It works like this - tangeble promises (1914 generation) and threats (big a soon) make for willing workers

  Poorly chosen false promises (time limited ones, eg. 1914 generation) require adjustment and necessary backflips in the refinement of a new improved sales pitch. That which becomes indefensible bu//$h!t becomes a liability (such as a 6000 year old planet concept).

  The witnesses to the bu//$h!t fall into different camps

  • the independent thinker questions and calls the "truthsayers" to answer - this camp must be eliminated or they will infect the other camps, and potentially new camps - the final solution; dfing and labelling cuts off the contact, and threats keep other camps from listening - it has been said that if times were different members of this camp would probably "taken out the back and stoned"
  • those who stick to the company people sell their souls at the behest of the company, keep their investment promise option and simply shut up - they pretend it didn't happen or move onto the mentality of 'it was nothing, you should get over it' - all this is concealed from newbies and independent thinking is shunned - the term "the right stuff" doesn't really describe this camp
  • there is another camp that pretends to agree with the company, the luke warm, who admit something is up but remain shut up about it - the company is always suspicious and inquisitive regarding this camp as these members may at anytime take on "the right stuff" and be very problematic

  It only takes a short time to pass before the company people totally marginalise all mention of the known bu//$h!t, the faster and further distanced they get from it, the better for their ethos and the better palalable their new meal.
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  PROOF THIS JW Religion COULD BE THE TRUE RELIGION

  by Dark_Princess in

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  2. beliefs

  well in the bible it says said by jesus christ himself... that "the true religion will be the relgion everyone despises and hates.".

  is this not the relgion of jehovahs witnesses?..

  look in the bible itself it says in john 15:18-19. jesus says, "if the world hates you, you know it has hated me before it has hated you.

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  A Paduan

  They certainly aren't the world's most hated.

  The cover ups, pretense, business clothing and lawyer mentality keep even what is due somewhat at bay.
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  The Governing Body said it ... are you ready !!!!!!!!!!!!

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was at a funeral this weekend, the first time i'd been in a kingdom hall in 13 years, the talk was short about a half hour, and all jw stuff as expected, but the one part of the talk made me laugh, the speaker said :.

  "we (a group of elders), had the oppourtunity to speak with a member of the governing body at the assembly, and he said : "we the governing body are confident that armageddon is close, and are ready for jehovah's day, are you ready ???"".

  i couldn't believe my ears, they will never learn.

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  Makes me embarrased to be a human too
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  Is manner of dress more important than respect for Jehovah?

  by LaurieM in

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  my mother and i were discussing the fact that she was told by a minister of the jehovah's witnesses upon being asked whether mother was going to be attending a book study at her local kingdom hall and mother requested whether she could wear slacks she was told that it would not show respect to jehovah and that women in the kingdom hall should "dress appropriately" by wearing skirts or dresses.

  after discussing this, my mother and i feel that the manner of dress of a jehovah's witnesses, whether man or woman is totally irrelevant to respect to jehovah god.

  clearly, even if one were to present themselves at hall in rags, that person is not disrespectful to jehovah if his mind and heart are open to god's word.

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  This in itself is highly inappropriate and does not reflect a humble christian attitude in an atmosphere where the word of God is the foremost reason to be attending.

  "Humble" is down to earth (humus) - Jws generally confuse this word meaning with a projection of something like "modest submissive"

  'Down to earth' would be to tell them to take a hike
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  Adulterers are Worse than Pedophiles

  by gumby in

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  ....at least according to jehovahs witnesses.. if a sister at the kingdom hall suspect her hubby is playing naughty with another woman and she finds her hubbys car has been parked at anothers womans house all night, then she can write a letter stating she is sure that adultry has taken pace and divorce him, and he is then disfellowshipped, and she still remains in good standing..............but,.

  if a child tells their parents and the brothers at the kingdom hall that they were molested sexually by a brother at the hall, and this accused brother denies this accusation and there is no other witnesses to this claim, then he is veiwed as not guilty and remains in good standing.. why do you suppose the accused adulterer is treated differently.....even if he denies that he commited adultry?.

  gumby.

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  it's the Governing Body's out-of-date mentality that is causing this problem. None of them have children (as far as I know)

  Really ? And their in charge of telling all those people what to do with their kids - how to raise them ?

  What a wicked place

  I imagine Bethel to be one of those places like in adventure story books - the wicked wicked wicked place ,where the captured people are turned into statues, and the only tolerated ones are those who do the bidding of the cold evil masters and master.

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  Ah well, back to work
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  2 Pet. 3:10 "earth and the works in it will be discovered"?? or burned up?

  by M.J. in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here's the nwt rendering of the verse:.

  (2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.

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  As much as one hates to admit it, it does appear that at this text, the NWT has preserved the better attested reading than the KJV

  To be poignant I would suggest that the meaning adopted was fortunistically other

  Better being fortunistic in this case (in the endeavour to superiority) - particularly as it was known and written of, to be plainly seen by someone gathering bible info, that a variance had been entered, how "wicked christendom had changed it".

  It's irking when the say truthful things - I want to take it away so they only lie.
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  "These also I must bring..."—John 10:16

  by AuldSoul in

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  2. bible

  an invitation to any jws, ex-jws, faders, lurkers or readers: please wreck this if you can.

  i trying to tackle a foundation doctrine of jws as simply as i possibly can.

  if anyone has a way to further simplify this, please offer suggestions.. john 10:16"and i have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also i must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.".

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  And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock

  Jws read - there are other sheep that aren't of my special fold, and I must bring them, to another albeit different place, where you will give them guidance from above. So there shall be two flocks.

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  Screwy, screwy stuff
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  What will your God do to Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by BCZAR2ME in

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  on judgement day--what will be the fate of jehovah's witnesses?.

  bczar.

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  will ?

  who can say that

  • they're not burning (desire)
  • there's no chasm between us
  • their soul isn't captured (or even not there)
  • they aren't among men that gnash their teeth at us, in literature as well
  • they aren't in darkness
  • they aren't outside (the kingdom) with the 'dogs' and those who sell themselves
  • they don't buy and sell (love)
  • they don't prefer pretense, with seared consciousness over it

  etc. etc

  Man - it really is a happening thing
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  Should I leave the WTS?

  by HamiltonPeppers in

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  after hearing the coverups and scandals, im thinking about leaving the wts for good.

  while reading all of these coverups, i felt like my wife just cheated on me with my brother.

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  A Paduan

  It's only natural to be angry - they were stealing your life from you by pretense - the difficulty with understanding it is that they want it so much (the illusion) themselves that they'll lie and tell lies, and even believe it most of the time

  You must have read some of these things?

  ....the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared

  And the "earthly paradise"

  Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal

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  While you preach against stealing, do you steal?
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  Dawkins on Jehovah's Witnesses' "Creation" book

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. friends

  has anyone read dawkins new book the god delusion yet?

  he discusses the creation book on pages 119-121. he says that he discusses this particular tract only because it has had such a wide circulation - no fewer than 6 of which have been sent to him personally.

  well i think he has at least 7 copies by now because i personally know one witness who sent him one following his recent the roof of all evil?

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  A Paduan

  I've never read his writing - what's it about?